Matias’s Ethics Debate: Werewolves vs Vampires
Date: 2025-11-06 20:02
(Matias’s Ethics Debate: Werewolves vs Vampires)
[Thu Nov 6 2025]
A Musty Basement Seminar Room/span>The Plymouth Seminar Room occupies a windowless corner of the basement, its
low ceiling supported by exposed pipes that occasionally emit soft clicking
sounds as they expand and contract. Fluorescent lights cast an uneven glow
across rows of wooden chairs with attached writing tablets, their surfaces
marked by decades of student use. The walls, painted institutional beige,
display water stains near the corners where moisture has seeped through the
foundation. A heavy wooden table sits at the front of the room, its dark
surface reflecting the overhead lights in distorted patterns. The air carries
a persistent mustiness despite the ventilation grates set into the walls, and
the temperature remains several degrees cooler than the floors above. Cork
boards line one wall, their surfaces dotted with faded announcements and
peculiar symbols drawn in chalk that seem to shift slightly in peripheral
vision. The door, reinforced with a small wire-glass window, closes with a
weight that suggests its age and the settling of the building around it./span>It is about 50F(10C) degrees. The mist is heaviest At Carnation and Blackstone/span>“Umm…” Again Bekki considers, filterlessly calling down to Teagan, “Solid six out of ten, but, like, my fam are demons and stuff, so eh.”
She fixes her makeup (it’s still bad) then concludes with, “He’s like, totes got a coke can cock.”
Unfortunate for Liri, she’s far from reached the bottom of the barrel of vapidity.
Liri sets out a tupperware container with dumplings on the side of her desk, popping one in her mouth to keep from commenting as the top of the hour chimes quietly from her pocket, and the clock too. She is doing her best to keep a straight face, but the sigh she lets out comes edged with a laugh.
Mercy drops down into her seat like a bag of sand, turned to the side so she can drape one knee over the armrest and really encapsulate that bored delinquent energy.
As the top of the hour comes the class begins and Matias writes his name on the board PROFESSOR MATIAS ALEJANDRO MUNIZ-SANTIAGO and then ETHICS DEBATE: Vampires vs Werewolvs. “Good evening everyone. I am glad to see some regular faces. To those who are seeing me for the first time or are attending my class for the first time. I am Professor Matias and this is an ethics debate on vampires versus werewolves. My classes are normally 90 minutes on the dot and I have no syllabus so get notes from someone to trust.” he informs the room in a resonating baritone of a voice.
“Now. Vampires and Werewolves are unique amongst Supernaturals in that they are actually self replicating viruses. Both of them are a form of fleshforming which fundamentally change the nature of the host or victim. Both origins are hotly debated but a popular theory is that the druidic circles which eventually became the Order created Werewolves to be their trusted Lieutenants and servants while Vampires were created by the great sorcerors that made up the various accords and councils throughout the ages for the same reason.” and with that popular theory established those slate-grey eyes look around the room, “Who can tell me some facts about a werewolf or a vampire and why they might be worth an ethical review?”
Not bothering to raise a hand, Bekki calls out, “Vampires is dead and arn’t, like, people, but, like, totes like Venom and stuff. They are animated blood what lives in their own corpses.”
Once Matias begins, Owen sits up straighter, eyes ahead on him, listening, nodding. Though, he’s not the first to offer up an answer to the question, thinking it over and seeming to hope someone else answers.
“I mean…” Teagan holds up the can of Dr. Pepper she’s taken from her bag, considering it at length. “Girth is important.” She’s unable to keep a straight face herself, dissolving into giggles that she smothers once class starts proper. Clearing her throat, she opens the soda and takes a sip to help compose herself. It takes a moment or three before she finally gets herself sorted and she does raise a hand: “Not so much a fact, but a question. Why would the Order create Werewolves? A group that is adamantly against killing, but during a full moon… werewolves cannot particularly help themselves.”
Opening his notebook, Jasper looks up at Matias and slowly raised one hand. “Werewolves get weak during the new moon,” he speaks. “But when the full moon rises, they start to loose control unless they took measures to keep themselves calm.”
“They both present a certain kinda danger to others in their own right, respectively, an’ often it’s debated which is more of a monster than the other.” Mercy chimes in bluntly, picking at something under a fingernail.
Liri sighs a little, the subject a sore one for herself, given her background, and she sinks a little into her seat. “The risk of drinking leading to death, no mater how sated, for Vamps is worth discussion.”
“Wait, the Order created them?” Owen asks, apparently hearing about this for the first time. Still lots to learn, apparently! So, he takes the time to really listen, sliding a notebook out of his bag, and writing.
“Correct. Vampires are not human, they are infact sentient blood which puppets the original body.” Matias agrees with Bekki and then adds when Teagan inquires, “Because the druidic circles which eventually became the Order are ancient themselves. When the great arts of fleshforming, fatecrafting, and sorcery were discovered there was necessarily a period of experimentation. Werewolves represent what is believed to be a naturalist viewpoint on fleshforming whereas Vampires are believed to represent an unnatural viewpoint on fleshforming.” then a nod for Jasper and Mercy before finally writing on the board MONSTER. “Both are considered monsters because of popular fiction but also because as a VIRUS they can only self populated by changing humans. If werewolf injuries did not risk creating more werewolves, do you think supernatural groups would care about lunacy on the full moon? As with anything that has a chance of exponential growth there is an innate fear of loss of control. Critical mass and disaster.”
“The popular theory, Mister Fielding is that the druidic circles created werewolves and the council of babylon created vampires.” Matias reiterates.
Nemi raises a hand, ending up nodding in agreement. “Not as much, the order and temple would because there’s still the risk of loss of lives. But the other issue is the risk of an unaware werewolves sprouting up due to unaware being bitten in places where treatment can’t be given in time no? Let alone a whole bunch…” She says with a soft nod.
“Makes sense. What is lycanthropy if not an inherited an’ incurable shifter form in summary.” Mercy surmises aloud to herself.
There’s a nod for Matias, from Owen and he writes it down. “Oh, I didn’t know that.”
“So the question becomes… Ethically speaking which is the more… Disadvantaged position?” Matias asks the room. “Is it ethically worse to be afflicted with a mental illness which makes you violent and spreads your condition to others or is it ethically worse to feed on sentient beings to subsist and by the law of averages killing at least one a year, knowingly?”
With a nod of his head, Jasper lowers his hand and turns to write in his notebook.
“Assuming we wanted to be the most ethically good werewolf or vampire possible. Which is naturally in a worse ethical situation to achieve that?” Matias clarifies
“I mean, it sort of seems cut and dry to me. Vampires aren’t human. They’re sentient blood puppeting a corpse. Werewolves are human, with a disease. We don’t look at people with… aids anymore as outcasts to be shunned. They’re just people with a disease.” Teagan takes a sip of her soda while arranging her bag of jerky and a notebook in front of her, taking notes absently. When not texting. She’s good at multi-tasking. She lifts the soda as a means of raising her hand: “If you aren’t even human, do ethics even apply?”
“Werewolves are not human either.” Matias clarifies to Teagan. “The transformation which gives them their shapeshifting form is caused by a fleshforming virus which makes werewolves closer kin to mist monsters than not.”
Liri calls out, immediately, “Wolves who don’t shift don’t experience lunacy the way that the rest of us do. So, there’s that. Vampires will always be hungry.”
Mercy inclines her chin and answers the question with her perception of the matter quite readily. “It’s the difference between first an’ third degree murder, an’ we all know which is considered the greater crime.”
Jasper frowns a bit while he listens, continuing to take notes. He pauses, glancing up before he resumes writing.
“Vampires don’t need to eat people.” Bekki points out. “They can eat animals, but if they eat people, they kill, like, maybe three people per year.”
Where does Bekki store all of this knowledge in day to day life?
The bimbo points to Teagan’s can of DR. Pepper and nods before going on, “Werewolves are, like automatically considered murderers the moment they shift, which means, like, that wolves are objectively worse by their nature. Like, maybe kill three people against is always considered a killer.”
“Vampires within the Order subsist on an animal diet or so I am told. This has issues with lethargy and going agaisnt their nature, but werewolves who do not shift likewise are going against their nature.” Matias points out to Liri and then chuckles as Mercy chimes in, “Murder within the supernatural… culture is fairly casual. I have killed plenty of people… I believe Avalon in the back there has killed many more than me.”
Avalon seems to arrive late to the lesson, crossing his arms and leaning against the wall by the entrance of the room, not seeming to take a seat on any of the rows “Oh, seems I missed the start” He mutters to himself, his hand rising slightly as if asking a turn for his word towards Matias, but not waiting for permission and instead directly asking, lowering the hand once more “The class can be attended by non-students, yes?”
“But that’s ridiculous,” Teagan says back toward Bekki. “Vampires pretty much guarantee kill someone. And most of them just laugh it off when it comes up like oh well, that’s the cost of my existence. A wolf can have never killed anyone, but people act like they’ve got blood on their hands every hour of every day.” When Avalon speaks up from by the door, she looks his way, looks to the soda in her hand, and starts snickering to herself. She drowns this by eating some of her jerky instead.
“But, do any of them like.. eat the animal afterward?” A pause, as Owen’s head tilts to a side. “I guess some might, but if you’re a vampire who only eats? Drinks? Whatever it is specifically, are you not just sort of wasting the rest of the animal, if it kills them? That’s not that ethical, I don’t believe.”
Liri chokes on the next dumpling when the name of the man in the back of the room is revealed, biting her lip to stifle what laugh, and what poit, might’ve been next.
Mercy peers down at Matias after her attention was briefly drawn to Bekki for something in her statement, lack of eloquence aside, and she hitches one shoulder in a shrug. “An’ yet, lotta people an’ even vamps still wanna act like werewolves are the monsters of both worlds. Ain’ anybody seem to consider that we as much people as we are wolf, an’ nobody callin’ wolves or any other predatory animal murderers fer eatin’ prey.”
Mercy throws Teagan a glance and upnods her, seemingly in acknowledgement and firm agreement with something she said.
“From an ethical standpoint. Werewolves are actually in a better position to be morally good than vampires. The reason being all of the risk of a werewolf can be mitigated geographically or via intervention. Whereas the risk a vampire poses can only be mitigated by intervention and self control. As many of you might guess self control like common sense is not entirely common.” and then to Avalon, “Normally my lessons I do not allow outsiders to attend, but we are already a third of the way through may as well grab a seat.”
Then Matias adjusts his glasses that are slipping down his nose turning to look out over the room. Despite being in the front he is actually still in his twenties and if he did not dress like a 40 year old man he might be mistaken for a neeeeeeeeerdy senior. “Like I said the true ‘problem’ with Werewolves is a single wolf could create a large pack based on number of survivors, density of population, so on so forth. I assure you individual werewolves do not frighten many supernaturals. A pack of them, can be dangerous.”
“Vampires are, like, always blood in a box.” Bekki adds thoughtfully– She’s scraping the bottom of the barrel. Apparently it’s just what makes them monsterous or violent that Bekki fixates on, the rest is discarded. “Wherewolves is people most of the time unless they do doggy.”
“So if Werewolves enjoy the more easily solved ethical problems. Why are they more commonly considered the more dangerous breed of supernatural. Excluding my main point that they can spread exponentially?” Matias looks out over the room.
“But a vampire could do the same,” Teagan points out after swallowing a mouthful of jerky. “So, that washes out between the two.”
“What sort of means of intervention?” Owen blurts out, not raising his hand, continuing to write notes, and things as people talk about. Debating.
Bekki yells down, “Because werewolves are more badass when they shift. They hit harder than vampires and they, like, travel mostly in packs and they are stronger with them, and if it’s a little dude vs a giant wolf then one’s totes got better optics and stuff.”
“Lazy prejudice toward the natural aspect of the supernatural,” Liri says, twirling a curl. “We are viewed as more dangerous, because we are exponentially more powerful, the more we are, despite… collaring, not shifting, many, many options being available for us to be no more risky than a guy with a pocket knife.”
“And the babies, they can come out as wolves, and shift as kids… Nobody expects the kid to change with the moon and maul people in a lunatic craze” Avalon almost adds to Matias, before shaking his head and telling the professor himself “I don’t know if the most dangerous… The craziest for sure, they are locked to fight or flight once a month”
Amber eyes wander to Avalon from far in the back row and linger on him for a time, a slight crease in her brow as she stares at the man like there’s something nagging at her thoughts but she can’t quite place it. What ever it is, Mercy appears to dismiss it as focus shifts back to Matias. “Guessin’ you mean besides the fact that people like puttin’ ’em in a corner cause if they fight back they prove everyone’s point an’ that makes ’em a convenient target fer low level antagonizin’?”
“Wolves are just hunters. When we lose control there is no differentiating between friend and foe.” Kaelyn chimes in belatedly. “Vampire seemed specifically made to target humans, even when they are dangerous or on a hunt. The human would never know- That illusion can help with why they are viewed as better.”
Mercy snaps her fingers loudly and points to Kaelyn. “Also that, easier to villainize what looks like a monster versus what jus’ looks like yer next door neighbor.”
“Vampires are always made out to be sexy in movies.” Bekki chimes in to Kaelyn’s point. “Except that one with the one what looks like tall undead Dobby, who, like, totes looks like Putin when you think about it.”
“Intervention in this case could be… Another person or persons confining the wolf during the full moon. You go out, you walk the streets, you run into a wolf, you knock them out, put a blanket on them and huck them into a cell for the night. Unless they hurt someone prior to you finding them. You have intervened and stopped that wolf from doing anything.” Matias explains to Owen and then continues, “There are also supernatural suppression collars, drugs, a chip in the brain to knock them unconscious, so on so forth. It is a broad pool.” then considers Mercy, “Werewolves are not that powerful. Having dealt with a pack of uppity ones this year. There is nothing innately powerful about a werewolf compared to any other supernatural of a similar age and competency. So it is not jealousy. I notice no one is talking about the imposed lunacy.” there he goes to the chalk board and writes VAMPIRE and WEREWOLF and under one he writes calculating / scheming and under the other he writes wild / instinct driven. “The reason werewolves are considered the worse of the two is the same reason that people fear mental health.”
“Actually…” Teagan leans back in her seat, hands free to cross over her abdomen. “Here’s an ethics question for you. A vampire puts a lunacy hex on a werewolf to quote-unquote,” at least she doesn’t do the air quotes with her hands, “prove how dangerous werewolves are. Wildly unethical on the vampire’s part, right? Cruel as fuck to the wolf. Puts tons of people in danger. And yet, some will take it as a kind of proof and evidence to that danger and think the vampire did the right thing as like, a public service.”
“Werewolves are too, generally,” Owen offers up towards Bekki. “Look at Twilight. You’ve got a lot of people on Team Jacob.” But, he shuts up when he looks back towards Matias, as as he begins to explain – making some notes on his notebook.
“Werewolves by default are inflicted with a condition which takes their agency away. Now I would argue Vampires have a similar problem should they get hungry enough but the werewolf lunacy with a full moon has mystique. It involves a celestial body. It is regularly occurring. Some wolves use it as exuses for doing horrible things on purpose or at least doing nothing to avoid horrible things like attacking a hospital lets say. It provides a very easy and dramatic loss of humanity and loss of reason which makes werewolves the most popular choice to demonize. Because no matter how articulate or wise or powerful the werewolf. They can succumb.” Matias states with a look out over the class.
“I ain’ say nothin’ ’bout jealousy, I said we’re easy targets fer shit-talkers cause if we fight back they can point an’ go ‘See?!’.” Mercy corrects Matias, assuming that was in response to her, though she wears a somewhat sour look after he lists out certain things to Owen.
Jasper freezes up a bit upon hearing Teagan. “Wouldn’t the vampire that casted the spell be at fault if the hexed wolf kills somebody?” He then asks.
“If I give Avalon enough booze and smash a bottle on the back of his head. He turns into a bear and mauls the person I point at. Is Avalon the drunken bear the problem or am I the problem for creating the circumstances?” Matias replies to Teagan
Mercy blurts out a nasally snort-laugh between Teagan and Jasper’s comments. She even slaps her knee.
“You’d sure think so,” Teagan says to Jasper with a dryness in her voice as she reaches for more jerky. “But no. Apparently, most of this city thinks the wolf is the problem.”
Kaelyn leans forward in her seat, “I’d like to think so and that’s less of a hypothetical and more something that occurred.”
Nemi nods and chuckles happily at the comment at Avalon’s expense, wiping a tear away after a moment. “The wolf is the problem for having the power according to most people, because as said by a few others. The bias exists in the city as is.” She states towards Jasper.
“If I shoot someone in the head with a crossbow bolt is the crossbow the criminal, or am I?” Mercy throws another scenario out to Matias just for fun, emphasizing his point.
Jasper says “Oh… “
“Nu-uh.” Bekki counters, calling down to Owen. “Jacob ain’t a wolf. He’s a skinshifter. Primal, but not, like a wolf. Those wolves ain’t werewolves at all. And besides, that guy who played him in the movies wasn’t, like, hot. Only, like, if you’re five.”
With a slow nod towards Nemi, Jasper looks back to his notes.
Nemi sighs softly. “You are because the crossbow is a tool… but the difference between that and the vampire and werewolf scenario is the werewolfs sentient after the rampage is stopped. Thus the blame is able to be pinned on them sadly. Because bias still exists….”
“That just sound like.. a bit of a consent issue, no?” Owen asks, chiming in. “Victim-blaming the wolf, after being antagonized over and over. People.. only have certain levels of a breaking point?” Shrugging, he calls out quickly towards Mercy. “You, obviously. You used to the tool to kill, it isn’t a being that can fire of it’s own free will.
Nemi adds one more thing with. “Though in clear reality the vampire is at fault.”
Matias looks at the board and underlines CALCULATING / SCHEMING. “It seems… My class that we have arrived at a potential example. Vampires are naturally calculating and political creatures. They create courts, they create politics, propaganda, they certainly have a fair more desirable public image in media than werewolves. Werewolves and vampires also innately dislike one another. Given they are both as old or older than other forms of supernaturals it could stand to reason that vampires have simply won the contest between two opposing sides.”
Mercy points a finger gun at Owen and clicks her tongue with a nod.
“If you shoot someone in the head with a crossbow bolt which is a non-sentient, tool. You are a criminal. If you starve a dog for five months and release it on someone and they kill them. Than you are still the criminal.” Matias points out before adding, “It is relevant whether something is a tool or being manipulated ethically.”
“A skinshifter?” Owen replies to Bekki, turning a little on his chair to look at her, over his shoulder. “Seems about the same to me.”
“It’s not,” Teagan says to Owen. “I can explain later if you want.”
Mercy holds her palms up in deference. “Sentience an’ all, sure, I get it, jus’ agreein’ with the point that if you set somethin’ up to do a certain action, yer liable.”
“That’s right, I’m free of fault, jail Matias instead of me” Avalon seems to agree with this point at least, before commenting about the politics comment “They can scrap the bottom of the barrel… Maybe along with angelborns, depends on the day” His focus seems to shift towards Owen, pointing a finger and telling “Wolves and us shapeshifters are not the same… They are failed attempts at what we achieved”
“Shapeshifters and Werewolves are very different. You have four types of shapeshifting. Lycanthropy, Fae shifting, Arcane shifting, and primal shifting. They are very very different approaches to something that looks very similar.” Matias informs Owen
“I believe part of the problem with image is also that Vampires tend toward manipulation more than just in the social sense. Mind control isn’t in our Court, if you forgive the pun,” Liri taacks on.
Owen takes consideration of that, nodding at all the replies, and writing into his notebook. “Oh, okay!” And leaves it at that, lots of responses from him, and he doesn’t seem to need to push the point, or argue anything. Happy to learn.
Mercy slides another look Avalon’s way, half-closed lids partially concealing a flicker of intensity.
“I guess a better example is if I aim a car at a… playground, get out, but leave a brick on the gas? Sure, I’m not actively driving it at the time but it’s not like…” Teagan pauses briefly, looking at her phone in thought. “Well, okay, the headlines would still say car murders, but I’d still be at fault because I put the series of events into motion. I think it’s just easy to hate on wolves and people sure do love to follow a crowd.”
“Nope.” Bekki responds, that’s the end of the ethical conversation on Twilight. The bimbo has become embroiled with working out if Mercy or a crossbow would be the killer.
And of course the other problem of Avalon being the killer or Matias. There’s only one thing for it. She gives up, deciding to share, “Avalon is a strong bear. He’s fun to fight, but he don’t like it if you try to smash his head open.”
“So given the class has quite a few werewolves in it. I think we can assume that werewolves are generally maligned as worse than vampires whether it is accurate or not.” Matias says with a look at the board and then back to the class. “Lets get to a more unpopular question. What if any steps should vampires and werewolves take to be ethical? One feeds on blood and by random chance will kill at least once a year while feeding on humans. The other can spread their condition and obviously accidentally murder people. So being these are innate facts of being what they are do they accept them and simply say I am what I am and go about their day? Do they need to abstain? Do they need to imprison themselves? Do they need to do anything to be ethical?”
Liri pipes up with, “The ethics of existing how you exist is an exceptionally slippery slope.”
“The Supernatural community by and large operates under. I am what I am, my nature is what it is, and I go forward from there. So while it is a slippery slope it is also one that many in New Haven go slip and sliding down daily.” Matias points out to Liri
Mercy throws out a comment that’s meant as a joke. Probably. “Could make it mandatory fer all vamps to get their fangs clipped or removed.”
“No one likes to have their head smashed open! Only a few handful of demons are able to recover from that- And let me tell you, death isn’t pleasant” Avalon replies to Bekki, the focus shifting instead to her, seemingly leaving Owen on the topic of different shifters. There’s a pause then as he sighs, glancing towards Matias and deciding to throw something else, hoping that people will argue more “I know it’s the topic of the lesson, but why are the ethics of these two even a question? They both come from a place most humans consider immoral, and will just end up going there if they do things right”
“I don’t think clipping fangs is.. very ethical. That’s like declawing a cat! Absolutely awful thing to do.” Owen mentions to Mercy.
“A common question. If I am innately unethical or am doomed to be unethical by my nature. Why try?” Matias echoes Avalon’s question. “As a Catholic, I believe humanity and Supernaturals as derived from humanity are doomed to sin. No matter what and the idea is to minimize the sin, hm? Perfection is no excuse not to try.”
Mercy tilts her sights down to someone for a moment, regarding him with a faint, thin smile that’s gone within the blink of an eye alongside her attention; which of course rounds back to Matias.
Mercy tilts her sights down to Owen for a moment, regarding him with a faint, thin smile that’s gone within the blink of an eye alongside her attention; which of course rounds back to Matias.
“Clipping fangs is a very dramatic way to make someone just tear out a throat with their clawed hand.” Matias points out to Mercy
“If I cant just go hitting anyone I like, they shouldn’t eat what ever they want. That’s not fair.” Ah, and we’ve come full circle to asinine again.
“I think,” This is a lie. There is exactly zero thoughts put into this, “They should do what ever they like, then everyone else can and stuff. If they do bad stuff, bad stuff can happen to them, or they’re strong enough to keep doing what they want.”
Thumbing her nose as if this were fresh information that were empirical, and with no possible counter– Almost like she heard it an hour ago and is now parroting it, Bekki explains, “That’s the way of the world.”
“I mean, I think everyone deals with this shit every day it’s just a matter of scale. Do I drive while drunk? Do I wash my hands before preparing this food? There’s plenty of things humans can do that can lead to accidental deaths. And they have precautions everywhere around them. Employees must wash hands.” Teagan takes another drink of her Dr. Pepper, blue gaze sliding toward Avalon as he mentions death being unpleasant. There’s a lingering of her gaze before she looks back toward Matias. “Wolves should likely find ways to chain themselves up during a full moon, yeah. It’s three days a month, at night. It sucks, but I imagine for most of ’em, finding out they killed someone in the morning sucks even more.”
“Most of the wolves in class do that preventive measure against being a danger during the Full. The fact that it occurs regularly is a strength here. It is a known risk that can be planned for by all parties.” Kaelyn states with a soft hum.
Mercy shrugs to Matias again. “Sure, but that’s really the crux of the issue; there’s no real fix. No perfect way to mitigate the danger of bein’ what one is an’ be purely ethical while also inherently bein’ a predator.”
“Chaining and drugging during a full moon is one option but remember it is a geographical problem.” Matias says with his hands tucking into his jean pant pockets. “Some packs ascribe to a naturalist viewpoint. Come the full moon, they remove themselves to the deep woods the mountains the jungles they remove themselves and they embrace the full moon. They use spiritualism as a means of channeling the lunacy in a safer area without requiring some kind of self imposed imprisonment.”
“Ethics like Sin does not demand perfection. It only requires those that look at problems to admit they exist. I recognize sin is inevitable. I also recognize perfect ethics is not happening. Being more ethical than not is good and being less sinful than sinful is good so trying is better than apathy.” Matias concludes
Nemi nods softly as she writes down some more notes when she heard that from Matias. Humming a tiny tune she turns to her classmates to listen for any point or added thing for them to debate.
“Where do we draw the line at threats?” Liri tacks onto Kaelyn’s point. “A rogue Angel could be drawn in by a psychopath and used as a murder weapon, demons inherently seek suffering, Fae can be drawn into their games and schemes so much that they stop viewing people as anything more than pawns, with acceptable levels of loss.” She sighs out, “But we’re the inherently unstable ones.”
When Matias brings up geography, she adds, unhelpfully, “The ideal would be setting up more mirrorgates to uninhabitted islands, or areas where we have a symbiotic relationship with the lands. But, modern life means disappearing for four days a month is unrealistic.”
“We are descendants of gods and fey, catolicism won’t take us anywhere. We were made for sin” Avalon sighs, crossing both of his arms, nodding his head towards Bekki and commenting “That. Throw the politics part on top to avoid some rogue society to kill you, and you’re golden, it’s how the world moves forward” There’s a shrug, but it seems that the man is dropping the subject there.
And he remains silent for a good couple seconds before he offers instead “Now if you wanted to deal with both at once… Just let them roam free- They hate each other, if you identify the vampires and make it public, you could have quite the game of chase during the full moons”
Matias slipsa hand out of his pocket and checks the watch. “There is nothing unfeasible about vanishing for four days. If you believe there is it is because you are still living in a human world. I assure you that I can go to the Godrealm for a week and no one would miss me and I can re-appear without losing my job.” looking out over the room. “I would say that vampires and werewolves both benefit greatly from immersing themselves in Supernatural culture rather than clinging to unaware social circles. Not to say you have to cut everyone off, I have parents, they are naturals, but if vanishing for four days a month is something that prevents you from killing someone and lets you embrace the power of the moon and your own existence… It seems like restricting yourself for some mundane reason is silly?”
“That would be the reason most of my kin live on our own lands,” Liri says, as kindly as she can. “I avoid lunacy, I chain, I do what I can to keep people around me safe.”
Jasper frowns, his note-taking growing slower.
Nemi nods softly in agreement as she writes the stuff down. “While the risk shifts further from killing someone to maybe pissing something off and hunting the wrong thing by camping out in another realm for the moon, I mean, certainly not a half bad price to pay from the sheer sound of it. I mean other than your- Lunacy driven self possibly getting you lose in another realm.” she says with a cough.
There is a grimace from Teagan and she just looks down at her things. “He’s right. No one even notices,” she mutters, shoving her notebook into her bag. The half-eaten bag of jerky, too. The soda only doesn’t follow by nature of it being an open can.
“I am just saying that for supernaturals with the resources many of us have, ‘cannot’ is not normally something that comes up.” Matias points out to the class. “Anyway we have twenty-five minutes left so questions, hypothetical scenarios, requests for the next topic I teach now is the time.”
“What, like,” Bekki begins- Here we go.It’s not going to be anything at all reasonable. “If you don’t wanna go away to the Godrealm for four days. What if you wanna go to the Wilds, Other or Hell? Why’s it gotta be the Godrealm.”
Mercy considers Matias and Liri both in an alternating flick of her eyes, a question queued up on her tongue that she presents aloud to either party as well as the class, though her eyes hone back in on Matias upon its delivery for his input in particular. “Is it possible at all that tryin’ too hard to control, or deny one’s nature leads to those instincts takin’ over more readily when the pressure reaches a boilin’ point?”
“He’s just mocking me,” Teagan says to Bekki as she packs up. “Don’t worry about it.”
Nemi shrugs softly. “Still same risks in my opinion, stumbling across something you should’nt piss off, hell even just being there MIGHT. But I mean, your fast at least and your lunatic self might have some sense… Still risk getting utterly lost.”
“Not learning to cope and integrate with part of your existence is not healthy or sustainable.” Matias replies to Mercy simply. “If you are going to exist, especially if you ever plan to embrace power, you need to understand what you are without illusion or trying to take a piece of it and chain it up. There is a pause when Teagan speaks, “Miss Lawson that is untrue.”
Liri glances back to Mercy, and she tilts her head, a very canine-like movement. She sits, back against the arm of her desk, and gives it a moment, before she just nods. “I think… for some of us, it’s like a dose of sleep medicine, where denying the wolf, over and over, you’re keeping it under wraps, so to say. But, once you stop…” She makes an exploding motion with her hands, saying, “And it’s worse.”
Nemi nods again. “Pros and Cons and all that.”
“Yes” Avalon takes it upon himself to reply to Mercy “We should just embrace our bloods, everything is so much easier, and the system works- It has been working for thousands of years and it will keep working” There’s a shake of his head and a shrug before he adds “And that way we could at least stop supers that cling to their humanity from getting uncontrollable urges that lead to their actually valuable blood to be spilled”
“Is it cos you’re ginger?” Bekki asks Teagan. “Cos you seem nice aside from that.”
It’s suggested that she doesn’t worry about it though, and so Bekki elects to not, moving on to listen to what others have to say.
Mercy gives a dip of her head to Matias’ reply. “There of course bein’ a fine line ‘tween acceptance an’ outright negligence, but I think you get where I’m goin’ with this.” Then she looks to Liri, expression cool and unchanged. “More or less. Stick a large, wild predator in a cage an’ yer jus’ askin’ fer it to be a tickin’ time bomb.”
“As a druid or a harmonic arcanist myself. I generally think Werewolves should attune to their wolf forms and learn to channel the lunacy in wild places where the likelihood of humans being hurt is low. It simples rather simple to me. The nature is not the problem. The location is the problem.” Matias informs Mercy and looks around. “Any other questions, hypotheticals, requests for next lesson topic?”
At this point, a lot of this conversation has seemingly gone a bit too far for all the knowledge Owen contains about the supernatural, and he doesn’t chime in. Shifting in his chair to regard the other students talking and debating, and hurriedly writing notes.
Liri has been alternating taking notes on her phone and being strongly opinionated, so it’s no surprise that on the subject of subjects, she’s got some input too.
“I think a class on the intersection of faith and ancestry would be interesting,” she calls forward to Matias. “Something about… well, I was raised with ancestry, native faith, but also being a Ransom, a wolf, bleeds into it, influenced my people. So. I think… yeah. It’d be interesting.”
“Are there any places that are safe for them to harness their control?” Jasper speaks with a frown.
“Mmmm. To-may-to, to-mah-to. Hell, at least ESS-DEE-EE over here,” Teagan gestures to Avalon as she stands, “called it a vacation. People tend to welcome you back from those. But yes, everyone, he’s right. Each and every one of you could disappear and no one would care. No one would notice. So take your full moon off to a remote island or whatever. Three days is nothing.” She meanders toward the door, slinging the bag over her shoulder as she finishes off her soda, tossing it in the trash on her way. “Also, dorms aren’t safe. Stay somewhere else if you can.”
“I read a book.” That in itself is a miracle, but never the less, Bekki very much did. “It said the same as Nathan says and Aunt Penny, that demons should find constructive ways to be violent. So I guess vampires should find constructive ways of drinking blood, like halal, and werewolves should, like just do what ever they want when everyone else is inside. If you’re dum enough to get bit by a wolf, that’s cos you was too stupid to run away.”
Nemi sighs and nods softly in agreement with Teagan. “What she said… There’s possibly someone missing- And pets have been stolen…. My cats gone and a message was left outside my dorm.”
“If anyone happens to know whom is breaking into the forms and doing graffiti feel free to let me know. Otherwise I will be looking into the matter.” Matias says to the room.
Reading something on her phone, Bekki looks at Avalon consideringly for a long moment before shrugging.
“Esdee-what?” Avalon asks with a tilt of his head, but doesn’t seem to linger on it for too long, as a moment later he’s smirking and wiggling his fingers at the approaching Teagan, still lingering by the entrance of the class, before saying “People miss those who are useful, or make an impact… If you aren’t missed, it’s because you’re doing nose of those things”
“But think of all those cold, lonely beds.” Mercy quips offhandedly to Avalon, unable to help overhearing his exchange with Teagan.
Turning in her chair to peer between Teagan and Avalon, Kaelyn frowns. “That’s not true. People can be missed and it can just not be mentioned to them.”
“People would only miss you because they’re all fighting over whose floor you’ll be a throw rug for,” Teagan says to Avalon, blinking slowly before putting her phone away. “Also, I never would have guessed that the reason guys go for big trucks was true for shifting forms too.”
“Alright well in lieu of any questions, hypotheticals, or requests for next class topic. You are all dismissed it is fairly late.” Matias says in a conversational baritone while walking back over to the podium to begin packing up. “Remember we have a meet and greet with faculty and students next week.”
Liri shrugs at Owen, saying, “First thing I did once I stopped having people I was willing to put up with picking my locks was replace my door and its locks. It’s like… two hundred for peace of mind.”
Nemi looks over. “I’m already replacing my locks for the second time. I hope it’ll help, I’m sleeping with a pistol under my pillow as is tonight once I get the new ones in.”
Owen nods at Liri, and seemingly sighs out a little bit of relief, at that, but he checks his phone, for the time, and slowly begins to pack up.