Invitation & Higher Tiers

[Talia]

And, I mean, sure, maybe people are being overdramatic here, but if invitation rises as fast from T3s as people claim here, it does sound like it could use a readjustment.

There is a middle ground between “no consequences” and “I have to be careful not to hit I10 from greeting a T3 ever other day”. Casual interaction with T3s shouldn’t be generating an unmanageable amount.

[Yourstruly]

I feel like ‘fast’ may be a misnomer. Or maybe I’m lucky?

I have RP’d with one T3. I feel like I’ve RP’d with them ‘some’ but not a lot. My invitation has not budged at all.
This makes me kind of sad as I am here explicitly because I like the unexpected, I like putting characters in bad situations. I RP because I don’t know what’s going to happen.

Time to find other T3s I guess 😉

[Maina]

I spent four or five hours in a scene with a t3 that was mostly 1-on-1. It was in public, but nobody else lingered beyond walking through. Have engaged in other shorter scenes and interactions with them before and since. Still at Invitation 0.

Also done a lot of 1-on-1 RP with monsters, which are mechanically t5. Not sure if they’re exempt, but have not been punished for it.

I can’t speak to daily private interactions and how fast those might increase it, but I don’t think there’s justification for avoiding t3s entirely based on Invitation alone. Casual interaction does not seem to be a problem, at least. Again, can’t speak to being besties.

Just don’t want people thinking that hitting 10 is inevitable from interacting with t3s at all. You can definitely RP with them!

[Seraphina]

I just wasted 40K of RPExp trying to bargain purity at I3, and both times it ‘failed’ but it sure ate the RPexp. Even if she were a high i3, you’d think 40K would have lowered it a little. But no, the message was: You struggle to bargain for purity, the darkness resisting your efforts. I understand that if you rp with high tiers, your invitation rises, I’m not arguing that it shouldn’t, their influence rubs off on you. But if you want to, I don’t know, RP in a RP game, maybe the tools that are there to help with that should work. Or if it fails, take half of the cost instead of all of it.

[Thomas]

I play a T3, and I didn’t observe any dramatic Invitation spikes in people I play with until this week. This week, people are going up by 1 or 2 points of Invitation every scene.

I don’t know what, if anything, has changed. I suspect that this is a system driven by the LLM in the background, and I’ve noticed before that the LLM gets ‘stuck’ on ideas, like when every patrol event was a ‘temporal rift’. I don’t know if that’s what is happening here, but it’s not super workable for story.

[Dream]

I’ve noticed the LLM reuse the same Dr Vasquez character a few times. In some ways I like the continuity. In other ways, that b-i-t-c-h needs to chill on summoning demons.

[Mirabel]

While we’re on the topic of the LLM, I really wish it wouldn’t hijack my character and start emoting and speaking for me on patrols. If invitation is indeed determined by the LLM’s interpretation of our RP, the least it could do is leave that RP in our hands.

[Seraphina]

Let me preface again by saying that I accept and am willing to play out the consequences of invitation. I am not upset at invitation as a concept.

From what I have experienced in the course of a week leads me to this: I think the personal 1 on 1 private scenes with said higher tiers should increase a personal invite between the two, rather than a general invite. General invite could be handled by the bargaining system itself. Or, maybe both, but general at a much slower rate of return when rping 1 on 1 and even slower if rping in a group.

But in the last 72 hours, I have increased from i3 to i6. Last night I was able to bargain purity. I blew through 80K (ish) RPexp, to end up at …. i5. First, I feel like I wasted 60k (ish) trying to bargain purity when as an i3 and each attempt failed. I was told ‘there is a cool down’ and yet I had been at i3 for months with no bargains made for quite some time (time period unknown). How long is the ‘cool down’ exactly? If it’s a cool down, maybe take half of what it usually takes, but at 20-22k a pop, it feels a little outrageous. Second, I spent that 80K last night to barely make a dent (admittedly, half-amusingly getting a callback about desperately trying to save what little purity she had left). I had been at i5 until said T3 logged in, walked into her room, and we shared maybe 3 emotes each. I went to i6 at that point.

That does not feel viable. And this is my concern.

[Rev]

It’s inconsistences like this that make it so that people should support those getting the short end of the stick. Because there’s alot of short ends of the stick.

Some people are getting 1k favor a week. Some are getting 50.
Some people are 100 rpexp a week and some are getting 5000.
Some people are getting crazy amounts of invitation, some are not. So if you’re the person getting 0 invitation please do not be like the person getting 1k favor, sitting on your high horse going, oh this is fine, I see no problem with what’s happening here.

Having to spend 80k RPEXP to TRY and reduce your invitation so you can do 3 emotes back and forth with a T3 is horrendous for the T3.

[Matias]

I think we need some more information.

1. Are you experiencing invitation increases with T3s you have a coded relationship with?
2. Are you in private mode with the T3?
3. Do you codedly share a property with a T3?

I could see the code / Nova looking at things like that going this is the personal/inviting relationship stuff that would cause gains. Whereas I do not have a relationship codedly with any T3 and I RP with two semi-regularly but only in passing like plots/classes/etc and not sexy time. So I look at people who are having big increases and thinking maybe these are major factors?

[Yourstruly]

So, to lay it out completely for my end:
I have RP’d with:
2 T3’s
1 T4
(On a single character)

I have had 2 passing interactions with 1 T3
A handful of scenes (including one extensive 1-on-1 that included antag elements) with 1 T3
2 extensive scenes with antag elements with 1 T4

My Invitation has not increased. That character is a T1. The acting theory that I have (and one of the T3s has when discussing it in brief) is that maybe T1s cannot gain Invitation (we cannot make demonic bargains, for example). Now, I could have phrased my original post better perhaps and I apologize for that, but I don’t think I was ‘on a high horse’ – I was trying to provide some context as what I was witnessing was ‘don’t RP with T3s/T4s your Invitation will go up immediately!’ which is very much not the case.

Does it go up rapidly for some? Yes. *For some.* And collecting information is the key to dialing in why that is. But I think it’s unfair to those playing the higher tiers to say things that might cause people to avoid playing with them.

[Yourstruly]

As a quick update:
Came across a T4 on my T2 today, RP’d about 35-40 minutes. No increase in Invitation.
Might be due to a first encounter. Maybe the scene was too short (might need an hour+?).

So I do think there are more factors at play (coded relationships; repeat encounters; going private; antag scenarios) than just the RP itself.

And I repeat: I am not trying to be on a high horse. I am trying to share more information so that there can be a deeper understanding and so that people aren’t avoiding others! No one deserves to lose out on RP for no reason.

[Thomas]

Are we talking about real T4s or Lieutenant guests? In H6, guests did not feed, so I don’t know if they raise Invitation or not.

[Yourstruly]

This, I would not know. This is the first I’ve ever played. But also, from what people have told me, there have been fairly significant changes between H6 and H7 in other areas? So I think it’s fair information to at least collect and not discredit just because the previous iteration did it one way?

That’s all I’ve got at the moment is just here is the information at hand.
Now, my T1 should hit T2 in the next day or two. So I’ll be able to give more information on the ‘Is it just that T1s cannot gain Invitation?’ theory at that time.

[Yourstruly]

Update:
My T1s Invitation did increase.
I think it was texting with a T3 (as I had very little other interactions between yesterday and today: when I last checked my score last night, no Invitation. Checked today shortly after logging in: Invitation 1). So it took a long time of interaction to do it (so T1s may just have a much higher barrier / timeframe).

So the theory that T1s cannot gain Invitation is busted, at least.

I think there must just be several ‘counters’ going on behind the scenes. Tiers, types of interactions, time interacting, etc.

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