[Luka]

And yes, if you refuse to let me out of a scene and decide to kill my character for a bad reason, I am going to kill your character in return. I don’t approve of PKing, but I’m not going to let the precedent be set that I’m an easy victim, either.

[Luka]

Miles, man, I appreciate your advice but I am not of the opinion that it is my fault that people are killing for bad reasons. Yes, everything you are saying is correct, but the message you are sending in between the lines here is “If you had been playing better, they wouldn’t have RDM’d” which just isn’t correct. Rev is saying I’m “not taking responsibility for my actions” out here like I broke into their house irl, wrestled them away from their computer and typed “execute” into their client.

No, my guy, I’ll take responsibility for things I actually do.

[Luka]

None of the times I died where fights I picked myself, funnily enough.

[Luka]

I appreciate your kind words Entropy, but I really don’t feel like the solution here should be “Find your people and RP with only them”. I don’t want to board myself up inside my mansion and pretend the rest of the game doesn’t exist. I want the community to improve to a point where it’s rewarding to be a part of it and people don’t feel like they need be a part of a clique in order to play the game.

[Luka]

Do you have an email or some such I could contact you on for a less on-the-forums conversation, Miles?

[Luka]

“I’ve not actually been killed anyone in the Order”

Hold on, this is actually technically not true. It’s kind of not true in spirit? I don’t want to get into IC details but the moment I hit enter here I realized this was not a fully accurate thing to say. Again, don’t want to go into IC details, but this statement needs an asterisk.

[Luka]

I’ve not actually been killed anyone in the Order, Miles. I’m not talking about those guys. All of my deaths have actually came from different players and different situations. One of which was just me being ascociated with someone else, and another of which was just “Oh, you walked into the same room as me whilst a cleanse is active, I’ve never met you before but I’ve decided I want to kill you now”.

I’ve been in some very overt and some very long lasting conflicts, those are not the conflicts I’m dying in. I’m telling you man, there are some BAD PKs going on right now,.

[Luka]

Yes, when I use “RDM”, I don’t mean literally random. I am using it to say that the threshold at which people are willing to start considering introducing a heavy element like player killing into a story is way too low, and that people are introducing it in situations where they should just be taking a step back from storylines, or satsifying themselves with less extreme solutions.

I especially, feel like too many people subscribe to the “If someone isn’t reacting how I want, I should escelate until they start acting how I want” philosiphy. I have seen ASTOUNDINGLY mundane situations escalate all the way up directly to a PK, past any and all other ways the situation could be resolved because someone was upset that the person they were interacting with wasn’t reacting how they wanted.

Entropy, I can tell you’re trying here, I can tell you’re coming at this in good faith. I do appreciate that. I feel like if I could go over some of the details of situations I’ve seen with you, I could convince you that there are some very bad PKs happening right now. Do you have an email or some such you’d be comfortable sharing? I don’t want to start getting directly into IC details on the forums and I feel a conversation without an audience would be more productive.

[Luka]

No, Entropy. My stance of “RDM is bad” is not incorrect. I am, actually, just right on this one.

[Luka]

My stance coming into this conversation was that “Fuck around, find out” was not enough to justify a PK. I personally consider a game in which PKs are done without story beyond “My character is strong and cool and your character is weak and lame.” being told to be an RDM. Maybe that’s too low a bar, maybe you guys have different ideas on what constitutes RDM, but to me you just shouldn’t ever be killing a character unless you’re absolutely sure it needs to happen.

I’m in the minority on that stance though, it is what it is. If people think PKing is just part and parcel of any IC conflict regardless of story being told, then that’s how the game should be played. I made this post to alert people to what I thought was a problem they’d care about and work with me in order to try and fix, not to demand them to play differently against their will.

[Luka]

“Why is it on her?”

Because she is the one who is commiting the RDM. It is on the person who is doing the bad thing, to not do the bad thing.

Unless, we’re deciding it isn’t a bad thing? I mean, I did just walk into this conversation WITH THE ASSUMPTION* that people didn’t want Haven 7 to be an RDM. If that assumption was incorrect, and our stance on this really is just “All cassus belli are legitimate” then fucking ey. The game is gunna suck, but it’s hardly my place to waltz in here and tell everyone how they should be playing the game if I’m the only one who feels this way.

[Luka]

“Why is it on her?”

Because she is the one who is commiting the RDM. It is on the person who is doing the bad thing, to not do the bad thing.

Unless, we’re deciding it isn’t a bad thing? I mean, I did just walk into this conversation that people didn’t want Haven 7 to be an RDM. If that assumption was incorrect, and our stance on this really is just “All cassus belli are legitimate” then fucking ey. The game is gunna suck, but it’s hardly my place to waltz in here and tell everyone how they should be playing the game if I’m the only one who feels this way.

[Luka]

We can also talk things out here, if you’d prefer, just concerned it might be a bit too spammy if we had a conversation like that on the forums.

[Luka]

Who is your character, Rev? We can certainly sort something out

[Luka]

Also maims are not permanent, you just do ‘procedure restore’ in a medical facility and if you have 350 favor (Which is a chunk of change but not super loads) you’ll be restored. Your LF comes back too, which is nice.

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