[MojoJojo]

[MojoJojo]

“My biggest character flaw is when someone punches me in the nose then I absolutely feel the need to slug them right back.”

Work on this. Nobody reacts well to someone being unable to take an L. This is consistently an issue with you. Not only do you not take any feedback or criticism, you escalate -everything- and as this interaction in the hunt proved, you don’t know a damn thing about RP etiquette, have zero patience or understanding, and cannot fathom resolving shit like a normal adult.

I don’t antag a single person. I get into raids, I get into a few rare grid fights, but I don’t cripple characters, bombard them with rituals, tie them up and gag them, I don’t beat them up when I easily can, I don’t arrange hit squads, I don’t seek revenge via mechanical winnery, I don’t use ‘easy win buttons’ like just carrying naturalizer during full moons or having a stake ready to just force any vampire into an easy victim role whenever I feel like it, etc.. Find me one person in-game who can actually recall me being a dick to them ICly and ruining their ability to RP something out.

This is where you failed, miserably and horrendously. To RP -anything- out.

Let me repeat it for you. You -instantly- staked her, paralyzing their character to come out as the coded victor in what is universally accepted as a total dick-move. This isn’t ‘telling a story’. You could’ve bound her and threatened with a stake, you could’ve stalked her and corner her some other time to resolve it, you could’ve gone down a hundred-and-one different paths which wouldn’t have painted you out as an unhinged, gun-ho lunatic who escalates over the stupidest of shit.

You got hit, once, in a chaotic fight. Come on – It was seven damage, you wanna pretend it’s clear as day she was obviously trying to gank you ICly? You are in melee, and there’s active movement going on, and someone trying to land a few shots on an enemy. Grazing shots and friendly fire is almost expected, and reasonable, in my head.

What’s next, you going to decapitate a person because someone meatshielded (martial arts skill) you and caused someone else to hit you once? In your book, I bet that’s still a valid repercussion.

Connie’s response was telling. She wanted NOTHING to do with a person who did something that unhinged. That should tell you something. You made a big oopsie. And could have instantly remedied this very, very easily. Apologize. Grovel, for all I care. Even now, some admission of guilt would’ve come a long way, but by now I’m not buying any apology or diplomatic words coming out of your mouth.

You cannot handle anything. You can’t be antagged. You can’t be reasoned with. You can’t be repercussed against without blowing the fuck up. Do not engage others with hostile actions in that case. If you can’t take a blow to your nose in a game where taking losses is pretty much written into the theme, play something else.

We aren’t ass. You’ve been an ass and you were getting treated as one. You know fully well you exhaust any and all energy to keep things diplomatic with your MO. And if you don’t, go over this post again. If you can’t see how you absolutely crushed any hope to be treated with patience, and understanding, there’s something wrong.

And I getchu, Luka. I’m addressing other things other than my own issue after the run-in with Leon. Don’t see how this is killing my ability to engage peacefully with anyone else. Most of us are probably on the same boat – We think he’s someone you just do not interact with, you do not include, you do not seek out, and you just deal with him when needed. He still denies making any accusations first, when he’s been hostile and accusatory since the first post. He takesies-backsies his own arguments the second they’re debunked. This is not something we should just tolerate and stomach, shrug off and let be.

[MojoJojo]

Okay. Nice arguments. Doesn’t mean you didn’t start accusing. That’s.. exactly what you asked. Not that unhinged pointing out the obvious.

[MojoJojo]

Who started accusing? Let’s find out together…

“So, as of this post, New Haven is a murder roulette in its alpha or beta stages, as all the mechanics to make a PC dead work just fine, and are absolutely permanent. So your time can or will be absolutely robbed from you, until someone in “Nova’s” inner circle, a favorite, and so on experiences said inconveniences and then it may get an expedited fix. Until then, farewell mortals!”

Accusation one.

“Unfortunately I lagged out when I did retaliation RP, so I lost, and was instant executed (help execute) the moment combat dropped, and didn’t even get an RP scene; lame. Retaliation RP is absolutely a feature and intended in this game, but if Players and their “concepts” are just going to respond with instant executes or “justified” murders don’t embody this play as it is now another true moment of FAFO.”

Accusation two. (Also, the hypocrisy of ‘instant executes/murders/responses so bad wow’ as Mr Stakes Right Away Cause Assumed Murder)

“Before we begin: you, Crayola, and anyone else doesn’t know me from Adam; except for a select few, because I can actually trust them to ROLE play a character, be true to the scene, and embody the world they signed up to play in instead of getting lost in their feelings, taking anything they don’t agree with ICly and turn it into an OOC vendetta, or lambasting complete strangers and their moral character like some authority while armcharing their intentions. You don’t have any insight into my personal character or have an iota of the person behind the words, so stow it.”

Accusation three.

“she tries to play it off as “friendly fire,” but sees her actions as trying to use the Hunt as an opportunistic moment to murder him and blame it on the Hunt.”

Accusation four.

“Then through the abuse of AID and the breaking of rule 2 per Rules and Polices, PoF Arachne begins to harass me in AID; when I refused to pour oil on her fiery temper tantrum and horrible assumptions about me, so PoF Arachne takes it to OOC.”

Accusation five.

“At this point Crayola makes it very apparent that she is the PoF of Arachne. I’m told later in a tell that Crayola is dragging my name through the mud in OOC chat. I turn it back on to tell her to STFU and keep it IC and leave it at that; until she doesn’t and I troll report her for harassing me, character assassinating me, and the blatant rule breaking all because she has a victim complex and I was the “bad faith actor playing the game like it’s hack and slash.” Very cool, very mature.”

Accusation six.

“in the future that is not how RP is resolved against antagonistic scenes or strangers, and not a courtesy I was ever afforded, and is BLATANTLY against RULE TWO.”

Accusation seven. Good job throwing another random under the bus just to move the blame.

“We corner alleged murderer, they abuse code and initiate combat to exploit their Angel’s run speed. Lo and behold Arachne is nearby, smears Leon as the aggressor, calls in 4 Hand members, and knocks out Leon. And in typical Haven and Hand player fashion the moment Leon gets knocked out he’s instantly blindfolded, gagged, and bound. Very cool rp, not at all motivated by OOC grudges.”

Accusation eight.

Shall I continue? There’s more in these posts. This was all you, while the only response so far was Bean’s first comment.

[MojoJojo]

Not responding to this moronic rants of his any longer. Jog on. I hope we never cross paths and I’ll do anything in my power to fully avoid any and all interactions with you, no matter the circumstances or location. Thankfully, you’re about as obvious as RG and your chars stick out like a fresh turd in a fruit basket.

[MojoJojo]

I’ll be the first. Crayola did nothing wrong.

Mistargeting because of weird Illusory Mancing tricks isn’t ‘doing something wrong’. Mistakes happen, to err is human. She immediately did the adult thing and tried clear the air, and apologized. She didn’t continue attacking you and executed you the second you were down in the fight or whatever. She also didn’t call her entire Court to immediately rush to the hunting zone to come murder your ass or back her up when you starting crying on the comms.

You did everything wrong. You immediately escalated by calling your society to your aid and making it out as if she was purposely murdering you. You ignored her apologies. You STAKED HER. How many times do we have to explain it to you before it gets into that thick skull of yours.

YOU. STAKED. HER.

This is not a diplomatic approach. This is not a good-natured gesture of sportsmanship. This is not how you respond, ICly or OOCly, unless you literally wanted a full-blown war with blood spilled.

No patience. No compassion. No understanding. No sympathy. No communication. Nothing. Just ‘assume murder and go unhinged’. Real mature response, yeah.

[MojoJojo]

How am I, Luka? Do elaborate. I’m not fuming here. I am sitting through a lazy shift at work and have little else going on but getting to enjoy the sunny early evening. And I mean… Look at what he replied with this time.

I’m not even responding to whatever trash Kaiser wrote out this time. He continues to rant and spew lies around, but yes – All of us are lying, again. This narrative of his is just ridiculous. Not the first time we’ve seen him spin a false narrative and then vehemently and toxically attack anyone who doesn’t take his fake stories as the goddamned truth. Incessant ‘no u’ing. Sticking his head in the sand like an ostrich when any response doesn’t agree with him.

Homey staked a PC for a reason nobody thinks justifies such a fucking hostile and crippling response. Got his teeth kicked in. Cries and calls everyone every filthy name under the sun, and we are all lying and colluding against him. Fuck off with this shit. That’s clear as day.

At this point, I am literally starting to hope they keep getting no-RP ganked. They’ve become our second RG at this point. Newbie rants. Forum rants. Uncalled for hostility and aggression. Just one step away from pretending they have friends on the dark web, or with the FBI, who will DDoS Haven or find us IRL.

[MojoJojo]

Right. So now it doesn’t matter what she fired anymore, after we disproven your ‘well bruh look she fired Attack Leon wtf bruh’ isn’t a successful argument for your hostility.

It does make you a malicious actor. Because, instead of acknowledging you may have not understood what happened, you fully embraced the villain role and decided that, instead of showing patience, understanding, compassion, forgiveness, or anything of the sort, you chose violence. You think getting hit ONCE warrants staking someone, which could possibly have killed this PC because of your misinformed self. You think crippling a character for days, if not a whole week, is a valid response to this, when this same person was ACTIVELY telling you ICly that she did NOT intend to hit you.

She addressed it ICly. Not OOCly, which literally is against the rules, but now you’re trying to tell us that she should have just said ‘fuck the rules’ and told you via AIDs. A thing you, yourself, have also condemned her doing – Taking it OOC, which is genuinely rich coming off you.

I haven’t once claimed I deserve your time and attention. I told you all you could have done is take TWO SECONDS to type something out when you have to go. You are aware you can type ‘afk 10’ or ‘gtg 0’ and it’s less than ten keystrokes to do so, and communicates an obvious intent of having to go, on top of options to communicate ICly. This isn’t me, being high-and-mighty and expecting people to set aside their entire real life activities just to pamper me with attention. This is me, expecting people understand how some basic communication works.

I’m not sure why you feel entitled to having been explained the ‘entire’ situation, when you ran out and bailed on someone, leaving them to fend off 4 or 5 mobs alone. In fact, I’d rather not get into length AID discussions about in-game events when, instead, I can just walk off and go on with my day. Who is the entitled prick now?

At this point, I think we’re all well aware that no matter how much we argue, what points we raise, or what we use to try defuse your ticking-time-bomb aggression, you won’t take anything to heart. Everyone is against you, everything we say is bullshit, everybody only treats you like shit. Dude. I’ve had about four interactions with you across two iterations now, and excluding the one in the mist, they’ve all been horrendous. You’re hostile, you’re disrespectful, you play haughty, your characters are super difficult to even take seriously because of how overblown everything about them is, and you just can’t help but create these massive drama black holes over not being able to take an L, or learn from your mistakes, or accept you aren’t everyone’s favourite.

I don’t know anyone involved in this discussion. I play with none of them. I don’t communicate with anyone on here. I’m sure most of those involved can attest to this, and hell, me and Crayon have had quite a few disagreements in the past. This isn’t a smear campaign set out to destroy you by the community as a whole. This is you, jumping into the IKEA ball pit as a full-blown adult and WWE suplexing the kids out of the playing grounds only to then cry and complain when people show up to rough you up and move you out of the ball pit.

Look around you. The only times you’ve had people agreeing with you is when discussing the bugs. We all agree the corpse-related bugs should be fixed. We all (kind of) agree that PK should come with RP when warranted, unless it’s a real exception to the rule. But none of us agree with the idea that you aren’t trying to pin the blame on everyone else, that you aren’t constantly trying to shift the goalposts, or making up stories of grand conspiracy to victimize yourself when, in fact, you kind of got what you deserved (not the PK, I’m talking the arguments here).

You’re still talking about ‘someone spreading the narrative’ — You are aware most of us were also aware of this massive fuck-up of his, ICly, within minutes of it happening in-game? Arachne is a popular person, and for good reason, while Leon has barely any allies as we can attest to here. Nobody chose Leon’s side. Especially once details came through. ICly, this looks like the most unhinged bullshit a person could have pulled. OOCly? Well.. Pretty much the same, and you just proven you cannot even see this yourself. You still think your response was valid, that you were right to go ‘all bets are off’ over getting a single hit in. You think it’s fine YOU get to crit someone, but lord forbid you get critted, right? And you’re expecting sympathy, how? You’re expecting us to go ‘yeah always bail on everyone around you to save your own skin whenever you can’ and embrace it as proper player attitude. You should have rationalized what happened. You should have taken a moment to reflect on the situation. But no. You said it yourself. Just grab the guns and start blastin’.. Ridiculous.

[MojoJojo]

“This just reads like concern trolling to try to get people to treat characters with a dignity and respect that their players don’t afford anybody else.”

I can’t agree more with this. We, generally, treat one another rather nicely. There’s exceptions, and these exceptions have it coming.

[MojoJojo]

Oh, quit it. It’s still a conversation because somebody couldn’t even properly read her logs and see that he was at fault. It took those five pages before he had to bring up how he still thought she purposely attacked him, when almost simultaneously four of us pointed out she did, in fact, not – and was, in fact, targeting the Doubled monster.

Nobody would’ve raised these issues up if the player in question wouldn’t turn to the forums for his mass ramblings, then be unable to take any feedback from it, and then still wonder why he’s not being treated like everyone’s bestie. This isn’t the first time we’ve had to sit through his ramblings on an exhausting forum post, or have him constantly deny this and deny that, sidetrack about this and sidetrack about that, all while seemingly being unable to take any criticism from it or see why what happened, happened.

I agree. There’s nothing that validates a no RP kill. That was a real dick move by whoever did it. It’s just plain disrespectful. But at this point, I really can’t act surprised anymore. Not given the player it targeted and.. well.. do I need to point anything else out anymore?

There comes a point where you need to stand in front of the mirror and ask the ugly question. ‘Am I the problem?’. This is starting to look a lot like a MOBA-gamer’s raging, every damn time. It’s always anyone else in the team, if not the entire team as a whole, which is at fault but no, not me. Lord forbid, not me. I don’t do anything wrong therefor it must be my team which is at fault. It’s mass conspiracy. It’s mass collusion. It’s cliques. It’s absolute grieving. It’s…

Do you get how this is getting old? The reputation isn’t ‘Kaiser plays it like a hack’n’slash’. The reputation is ‘Kaiser can’t take any feedback, he can’t accept any consequences, he can’t take any L, he can’t even take a piece of mild gossip without tables being flipped, yet plays as these gun-ho trigger-happy loose-cannons with more aggression than a hormonal pitbull we now have to deal with and lord forbid if we so much as respond to his hostilities..’ That’s the prevailing narrative, and it isn’t up to us to brush that off the table and sweep it under the rug. There’s someone else in the room who has to work and prove to the players around him that there’s positive change a-comin’.

[MojoJojo]

Yes. Exactly. She fired ‘attack Leon’ -afterwards- which would’ve targeted the crawler. She realized ‘attack crawler’ made her hit Leon, so swapped. Do you get this, Kaiser?

[MojoJojo]

You say, in velvet sweet mormorio with a New England accent, “Friendly fire
not intended!”
170/213DF 0ST 0WN 0LG (N 0/50:37/50)]
[1N]Leon says “Hunter, Arachne is trying to kill me along with the monster.”

[170/213DF 0ST 0WN 0LG (N 0/50:37/50)] say I said it wasn’t intended!
say I said it wasn’t intended!
.
You say, in velvet sweet mormorio with a New England accent, “I said it
wasn’t intended!”

— Where did she not communicate it was an accident/unintended?

[MojoJojo]

[170/213DF 2ST 0WN 0LG (Ne 0/50:37/50)] attack crawler
attack crawler
Command stacked.

[170/213DF 0ST 0WN 0LG (Ne 0/50:37/50)]
[1N]Leon looks like he already caught his second wind.

[170/213DF 0ST 0WN 0LG (Ne 0/50:37/50)]
large lava crawler charges to 10,22: Distance 24
[1N]Large lava crawler ignites his fist and throws a punch at Leon, it strikes his armor with bruising force.

[170/213DF 0ST 0WN 0LG (Ne 0/50:37/50)]
[1N]Leon launches a stab at large lava crawler, it severely wounds his left arm.

[170/213DF 0ST 0WN 0LG (Ne 0/50:37/50)] double leon crawler
double leon crawler
Runes on your petite gold wristwatch shimmer with prismatic light.
You double Leon with large lava crawler.
[170/213DF 0ST 0WN 0LG (N 0/50:37/50)]
You can attack again.
You fire off a shot at Leon which strikes his armor with bruising force.
[Pistols reduces defenses by 7, balance by 0]

— Where did she fire ATTACK LEON? Or.. did she cast Double on the crawler and you in the wrong order, thus accidentally causing her queued up attack crawler to now hit the double’d you?

[MojoJojo]

There’s 1440 minutes in the day. The coincidence that your bowels decided to cripple you to the point of being unable to type communicating words out, and instead go in some Fight Or Flight where it only transmitted words of escape out to your hands THAT exact minute sounds rather suspect at worst, if not ridiculously coincidental at best. We can get into a game of ‘no u’ing this game of trying to pinpoint who causes the spawns all day.

And, dude. It’s Haven’s PvE. You don’t need to have a StarCraft player’s APM in it. I can literally play the PvE combat with one hand while on the phone at work. And no, this isn’t the standard, but don’t pretend that situation we were in was -so- APM-demanding you couldn’t squeeze out a few basic words.

Either way, that whole topic aside, you once again seem to have almost everyone telling you there’s many flaws in your reasoning, or your narrative of an escalated situation, and only try and divert the blame instead of owning up to anything.

Don’t pretend the original post was just some friendly advice, some pointers of how not to play. We’ve all long told you how none of us agree you ‘acted reasonably’ by:
– ignoring her apologies
– ignoring that she said it was accidental
– instantly calling the cavalry on her
– pretty much instantly staking her after it
– etc….

How do you consistently not know anything about combat, but seem to want to get knee-deep in it when it.. suits you? You don’t know this. You’re overwhelmed by that. You don’t know staking wounds its victim despite actively handing out stakes and knowing they even exist. You are overwhelmed with way too much MAP stuff for what is just simple PvE in a street. Real convenient of an excuse to just play clueless when it suits you.

Besides, you DID namedrop after just the one reply. Stop pretending Bean is now somehow to blame for this.

[MojoJojo]

I’m fully aware of that. Doesn’t mean you can’t communicate a desire to disengage together real quick. It reflects better on you doing that than running away in the middle of an active fight, leaving a single PC to tank several mobs. There was about 10 minutes of combat in there, between some of the spawns. There’s plenty of time there to drop a quick, short say.

Bailing without a word come off as grief-y, just leaving another PC tangled up in a mob swarm you are in alone vs several mobs with Snares as you burst out and away and close the door behind you — no ranged fire support, (again) no ‘over here!’ or ‘lets bail!’ comms, nada.

I also could have escalated this ICly. But I didn’t. Another example of a player choice to make in a heat-in-the-moment encounter. This would not have warranted arranging some deathsquad on him, staking him, ritualbombing him. I think it just highlights another example of some sort of disconnect; How he cannot fathom his actions in the staking were in any way repercussions, how he cannot grasp the concept of some basic communication before going on the full selfish route…

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