[Valkuk]

So, I’ll preface this by saying I doubt I’ve played a significant amount of time around T3s for my invitation to have been greatly impacted, but from the things I’ve been hearing around from other players. It seems that invitation gains are a bit inconsistent, and sure, we don’t know the code or the logic behind it, so all we can do is really speculate about why it happens, but we have the results. Some people aren’t too affected by play with T3s, some others are to a point they think it’s unplayable.

Now, something I mentioned back when H7 was announcements, was my worry that invitation would cause higher tiers to isolate even more, coming from H6, in which they already did so. Sure, acedia would be there to fight it, and things weren’t as grim as I made them out to be initially, but as things stand right now, I can say I notice people not playing around T3s because of the invitation. I’ve heard it from T3 players, I’ve heard it from players that avoid T3s, we even have it on this thread. At least a significant amount of the playerbase is worried enough about their invitation that higher tiers are avoided, maybe not entirely or completely, but a decent amount.

If we went back to H6 times, this would likely translate in “I have to feed, I got, gank someone and antag”. I don’t think you can do that any longer. Antag has become a large opt-in system, which I don’t think is a bad thing, but when the thing you want to fight is invitation, a system that not only characters want to avoid, like feeding in H6, but also the players want to avoid, you’ll find less and less people going into that opt-in.
If the outcome of antag is “I lost a bit of lf and my char has had a bad time”, maybe some people will play along in order to have realism or to storytell, maybe even because they enjoy the character’s bad time. If the outcome is that you build invitation and at I3, the relic you spent two months working to get gets stolen, or something along the lines, I doubt the player will be as eager to accept.

I think a couple of the issues why players might avoid it is how the different invitation powers are distributed. I think some people are likely seeing fast spikes of invitation without understanding where it comes from. And I think, maybe in some cases, T3s might be generating too much invitation. By the feedback I hear around, it seems like higher tiers past this will be rare, not because of the Hunt or how they’ve taken power from them, but because less and less people will play with you.

Again, can’t say I have much personal experience with it. And this is just how I see the issue, maybe in a month or two things have drastically change and I’m completely wrong in my assessment, but to me trying to make high tiers not isolate while also making the pressence of even the smallest high tier more impactful and worrying, just feels counter-intuitive.
I like the system of invitation, and I like the idea in order to feel the monstrosity feel more real, but I think in the way its tuned right now, it’s not really giving them a pressence as much as isolating the characters little by little. Storytelling and roleplay can only be so rewarding, and if the drawback for doing it is severe on the players, the incentive dies down and is replaced by discouragement. Sure, another person by person case, but it’s the way I see it.

Anyways, that’s my two cents on how I see things as of right now, hopefully things change, or hopefully I’m wrong about this, but we’ll just have to wait and see.

[Valkuk]

I probably arrive a bit late at this, but I also have some grievances with the favor system. Namely, I am experiencing that same thing, getting very low numbers for high contributions- Even not seeing any favor at times at all. I don’t know what exactly is wrong with the system, but it just swallows the contributions and returns barely anything compared to what I’m seeing other people get. I’ve been a couple times among the top 3 for at least 2-4 groups on the society report, just to bank favor ranging from 50-90.

It’s just very discouraging when you see people able to easily afford things like relics or faecloth to tell yourself “If you keep this pace up, you might get it in maybe another 2 months”. I don’t think it’s an issue with top earners, I don’t think it’s an issue with a wide range between minumum gotten and maximum gotten. I personally think the favor generated should vary to some degree with the amount of people to divide among, even if the increase is very little. Sure, a society with 25 people like the Court will get a borough easier than one like Sons with 9. But when it comes around, Court will be debuffed towards the next for already having one- And even if Court win again, they’d need 3 boroughs, which with the system to prevent hoarding several I doubt is easy, in order to have the same amount of effort report the same amount as if they were in Sons.

This is just my personal take on it, feel free to disagree. But when I roll a faeborn character that I am commited to go through their story, I want them to be in a society that doesn’t penalize me for being a faeborn instead of something else. And the same goes for my foci decisions and background and such. Right now a society works for me, and if people flock it, well, then my effort goes to waste, just because others arrived at the same conclusion or had some similar interest or something.

I really don’t want to make a big deal out of this, or sound overly complaining about everything when this comes up- But I talk to people who are making easily 5 or 7 times as much as me and when prompted “How?” I just get answers among the lines of “Go out do stuff” or “I didn’t really do much”. I don’t know how much other people are doing, I don’t want to imply I do, but I just feel like I do a lot, and put in effort, and just get scraps. It just doesn’t feel rewarding and it feels like in a sense, it can be gatekeeping of certain ways of progression or fun to be had with different options. But that might just be me seeing the worst option possible.

Anyways, that’s my two cents on favor. At least in the current state it’s in

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