[Evalina]

Game has a memory leak -> uses too much memory -> server runs out of memory -> everything else on the server stops working.

The whole game + forums + old forums are all hosted on the same physical machine I am pretty sure, so this happens.

[Evalina]

I figure this might be handy until Nova gets time to respond, this is from a note he did in H6:

There seems to be some confusion around hypnotise amensia. This ability lets you make someone
remember an event as if it happened in a dream, that’s it. It doesn’t allow you to target something
more than an event, and it doesn’t stop the person from figuring out that the ability was used on
them. This is a basic ability used to help cover up the supernatural, it has next to no utility on
the supernaturally aware who know that it exists since they will reasonably conclude if they had a
dream of you beating them up and they have bruises the next day that you beat them up and used it on
them. Memory potions can be used to meaningfully remove memories but even these will usually fail
after a few days on T2s and higher. There is deliberately no way in the game to meaningfully remove
memories long term from more important characters with sanc.

[Evalina]

As mentioned, bargain is intended for people who want higher invitation. It would not surprise me if beyond rising invitation, it also made it easier to gain invitation, for that reason. Not saying how that works, but you know, Nova works in mysterious ways and using system x for its purpose may lead to its purpose happening in sometimes unexpected ways.

Obviously only Nova can answer this with fact, but I would /strongly/ recommend to stick to bargain purity while trying to keep invitation down under duress.

[Evalina]

These issues came into play weeks after the first podcast, so going to have to put the nix on that theory. It’s unlikely Nova is running the model on the same server anyway, even if he does run the model himself. A server used to run models like this ideally has a GPU, Haven needs no such thing and adding even a basic GPU adds far, far more to the pricing than doing the minor things haven does via the API I think.

I think about 8000~ emotes written by the AI would be the likely point where it’d be profitable to run a GPU there. More likely Nova is using an external API (and we know, from past things, he’s used at least Gemini and probably also others, so hey) and very perhaps a server shared with a more constant cloud workload. Unless you all are rping with the AI a /lot/, it just doesn’t make sense.

Processing 1 player’s logs takes about 30 seconds to a minute at worst and isn’t that heavy for gemini. I let it process all of mine a few times to test some things. We’ve about 700 players if we’re being generous. That’s 12 hours per week. And that’s being incredibly safe for us – it’s probably way way less.

Presuming he’s being clever and using batch processing on multiple players at once and limiting the total RP processed per player to a reasonable limit he’s probably paying about 20 cents per active player. If he’s processing all our RP, he’s paying a lot more. But a local model that can reasonably handle that at a decent level of quality will probably cost him a ton more money. Because he still wouldnt need that GPU 24/7. He’d need it at most a few processing hours a day. The rest of the time it’s just costing him money. And plenty of us donate, but that doesn’t mean he’s likely to throw that away so easily.

If he’s using the podcast service I think he is, he’s paying about 22$ for that. Gemini can create the entire script in minutes – no need for any constant real time processing that would cause this.

I suspect he just did an oopsie in some of the code he wrote to handle petitions a week ago and is hitting a resource limit. We had 2 manual copyovers since, so I suspect he’s aware of that oopsie and maybe already fixed it.

Who knows, pure speculation that. Just wanted to counter-argue blame-the-llm before that becomes a widespread thing…

[Evalina]

Going by the old code:
There’s a penalty to your benefit to vampires if you were drained. Supers give significantly less than non-supers. There’s a penalty if the biter is also the last biter. Benefit for virgins that only counts if they weren’t the last biter. The amount of LF thevictim has matters. Higher tiers provide more blood potentially. Being bitten twice in about a day of time will lead to the vampire being punished instead of rewarded for biting.

Not 2 weeks unless things drastically changed – that would be weird, there’s nowhere near enough fun bite targets for vampires if each has to have a 2 week cool down.

Only Nova can truly elaborate, but I hope this helps for now.

[Evalina]

No real stake in this but would like to strongly disagree with it being bad form to use invitation’s more magical abilities as a natural without arcane knowledge.

If Nova didn’t want us doing that, it would be /trivially/ easy for him to add a check for it. And you can absolutely suggest doing so.

I would say as a natural non-sensitive, you’re free to RP invitation in various ways that make sense for your char. if you like, you’re unable to use it. But also, you’re free to just, have one of your contacts hack on your behalf and give it to you. Have some creature you’ve a pact with aid you. Have an eidolon from your cult aid you. Have a magical tool you’re using for it. Have literally knowledge of nothing else but know that.

invitation is a tool to enable antag, any tool that is enabled for you this way, in New Haven, is a tool you are allowed to use and roleplay being able to use in whatever way is defined (in this case, none specifically) or whatever makes sense for your character. It’s the flipside of the coin where, no matter how cool you think it is, you’re not allowed to RP abilities you don’t mechanically / lorewise have.

I’d take it all fairly loosely. Figure it out with a handwaive. Leave the limiting to Nova, not each other.

[Evalina]

Naturals *might* be able to get the Sorcery Legendaries at least, not sure about others.

From what I recall of H6 code, Sorcery doesn’t require being a supernatural. It merely requires the appropriate level of the arcane tree related, which I think requires being gifted.

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Posted it before and failed so trying again. Same disclaimer applies.
Warning, AI generated. The first one I generated just for you people since many of you dislike the anime aesthetic. The rest are anime aesthetic since I generally assemble outfits by mixing and matching items and an anime-based generation tool has been my best experience with getting it to generate exactly what I want. The others are a tad too random for my workflow. So don’t click beyond the first if that bothers you!

[Evalina]

The trick was using ‘share’ to get a direct album link and then post that, not the embed blockquote, for anyone else who wondered.

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Warning, AI generated. The first one I generated just for you people since many of you dislike the anime aesthetic. The rest are anime aesthetic since I generally assemble outfits by mixing and matching items and an anime-based generation tool has been my best experience with getting it to generate exactly what I want. The others are a tad too random for my workflow. So don’t click beyond the first if that bothers you!

[Evalina]

So what?

If you’d have engaged in good faith, maybe yes, we would have betrayed your trust. But you know, everyone watching would tell that we’re jerks and would be on your side if that actually backfires in an unfun way.

But by engaging expecting bad faith, you essentially created a bad experience, and by giving us an unfun experience that we didn’t sign up for, you risk retaliation of an unhealthy and unfun nature. There’s a chance of course we later find you and decide to actually try to entertain you anyway because we’re nice or interested in you or w/e. But that chance would be much higher if we had fun.

You can’t expect us to react in good faith and a fun way when you’re presuming misbehavior and so acting in bad faith. Obviously once you set a precedent that antag by you means instant combat, well, you can’t blame us if we instantly get you ganked every time you approach, or pre-emptively attack you next full moon to ensure it doesn’t happen again, right? Would you enjoy that? Most of us – certainly the people I like to RP with – instead turn the other cheek and try to focus on the good instead. But it’s totally fair not to.

And why, even? If you really don’t trust us to be fun there, just… Don’t? Go antagonize people you expect will be fun to antagonize. I struggle to conceive what could have been fun for you in breaking into some casual RP, beating people up and leaving. It’s not an RDM, no, but it’s also not a TDM. It’s a collaborative roleplaying game. And yes, you can play that distrustfully and look out for number one, but that’s not fun for anyone and I question the point of doing that in a game where people are liable to kill you for it.

I think you’re a good guy Luka, but good roleplay requires good faith from both ends. The only end you control is you, and it takes one to get the ball rolling. And losing isn’t so bad, it’s a fantastic way, in fact, to learn who is and isn’t fun to lose to. Usually these are the same people who are fun to beat later.

Like, this chat isn’t people going, oh luka is terrible I hate luka let’s pk luka it’s okay if it’s luka. It’s people going, I had x bad experience here, so I am responding in x way. I don’t actually agree with the notion you’ve to RP back if you’re not enjoying it – you really do not. You owe nobody RP in this game. But you know, if someone feels they have to kill you to get you to get lost from them, something has gone very wrong.

I promise people aren’t hoping for you to get in more trouble and quit or anything, they’re hoping you learn, get better so they can have a better experience with you. You don’t come across like an ass, so it just feels like a waste. I’d love to have fun with you in a healthy way, and I think most feel that way. And anyone who does keep a grudge and come at your throat if you’re interacting in good faith and taking in feedback and trying to be the best werewoof you can be, disengaging from anti-fun, well, there’ll still be an ass then, it just won’t be you.

[Evalina]

I think this is the auto mod at work but it’s affecting Nova’s own replies so I feel something may be misconfigured

[Evalina]

To be honest I did get a safe car (a horse does the trick too, I hear) but otherwise I have quite literally never ended with trouble with the mists. No combat needed.

Yes, you do have to track where you’re going and if it’s misty if going to an outer borough. You can’t drive then go get a drink and come back expecting to be fine anymore either.

But so long as you keep reasonable precautions (don’t go out unaware of where you can be safe, don’t go to outer boroughs without checking the weather, look around when driving your car and be there on arrival) it is pretty easy to avoid the mists entirely.

I do think better telegraphing, big red warnings when you’re about to be in danger and such would be very good. I also think some sort of warning if you’re going to an outer borough or on a dangerous path would be good.

But that’s mostly a concern for newbies and such for me. And even if you do get caught – it’s not very punishing right now, people will save you and bam, you’ve a hook to RP with your savior. I know of at least one newbie who got an RP partner that way, I think.

I definitely think the mist could be made less sudden and more scary. I’d love something like silent hill where there’s like a mist horn and it’s a sudden rush of people trying to get inside within 5 or so minutes and everyone is terrified.

But I think the presence of an actual risk roaming the grid, the fact the city is inherently unsafe, really adds to the theme and atmosphere in a wonderful way.

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